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Thursday, 9 August 2007

What is postpunk? DO NOT TRUST WIKIPEDIA

In relation to a question that I was asked on Sunday here's some answers to that. ;p

What's post punk afterall?

[ this is what Wikipedia says:

During the first wave of punk, roughly spanning 19741978, acts such as the Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones, and The Damned began to challenge the current styles and conventions of rock music by stripping the musical structure down to a few basic chords and progressions with an emphasis on speed. Yet as punk itself soon came to have a signature sound, a few acts began to experiment with more challenging musical structures, lyrical themes, and a self-consciously art-based image, while retaining punk's initial iconoclastic stance.

Typically more introverted, complex, arty, and experimental than classic punk rock or the more pop-oriented New Wave music,[1] post-punk laid the groundwork for alternative rock by broadening the idea of what punk and underground music could do, incorporating elements of Krautrock (specifically in the use of synthesizers), Jamaican dub music, American funk, studio experimentation, and even punk's traditional polar opposite, Disco, into the punk rock genre. It found a firm place in the 1980s indie scene, and left behind several major sub-genres, including Shoegaze, Industrial, Gothic rock, Post-Hardcore, College Rock, and Madchester. However, post-punk's biggest influence remains in the vast variety of sounds and styles it pioneered, many of which proved very influential in the later alternative rock scene.

Classic examples of post-punk outfits include The Fall, Gang of Four, Orange Juice, Joy Division, Echo & the Bunnymen, The Cure, Ultravox, and Wire. Bands such as Crass and Throbbing Gristle also came within the scope of post-punk, as with several outfits formed in the wake of traditionally punk rock groups: Magazine from Buzzcocks, for instance, or Public Image Ltd. from the Sex Pistols. A list of predecessors to the post-punk genre of music might include Television, whose album Marquee Moon, although released in 1977 at the height of the punk movement, is considered definitively post-punk in style. (However, many would argue that bands such as Television, Talking Heads, and the Voidoids were all core punk, as it was the raw originality and diversity of sound and style that was punk.) Other groups, such as The Clash, remained predominantly punk in nature yet inspired and were inspired by elements in the post-punk movement.

Championed by late night BBC disc jockey John Peel and record label/shop Rough TradePostcard Records, Factory Records, Axis/4AD, Falling A Records, Industrial Records, Fast Product, and Mute Records), "post-punk" could arguably be said to encompass many diverse groups and musicians. The original post-punk movement took place largely in the United Kingdom, with significant scenes throughout the world, though North American and other non-British bands weren't often recognized worldwide. Some notable exceptions include North Americans Pere Ubu, Suicide, Savage Republic, early Hüsker Dü and Mission of Burma, Australia's The Birthday Party, The Church, and Ireland's U2 and The Virgin Prunes. (amongst others, including

Around 1977, in North America, the New York led No Wave movement was also tied in with the emerging eurocentric post-punk movement. With bands and artists such as Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, Glenn Branca, Mars, James Chance and the Contortions, D.N.A., Bush Tetras, Theoretical Girls, Swans, and Sonic Youth on their first self-titled album. The No Wave movement focused more on performance art than actual coherent musical structure. The Brian Eno produced No New York compilation is considered the quintessential testament to the history of No Wave.

The original post-punk movement ended as the bands associated with the movement moved away from its aesthetics, just as post-punk bands had originally left punk rock behind in favor of new sounds. Many post-punk bands, most notably The Cure and Siouxsie & the Banshees, evolved into gothic rock (formerly a style of the larger post-punk movement) and became identified with the goth subculture. Some shifted to a more commercial New Wave sound, while others were fixtures on American college radio and became early examples of alternative rock. Credit for the gradual evolution of post-punk into alternative rock is largely attributed to the band R.E.M..

The turn of the 21st century saw a post-punk revival in British and American indie rock, which soon started appearing in many different countries as well. The earliest signs of a post-punk revival took place with the emergence of various underground bands in the mid-90's. However, the first commercially successful bands The Rapture, Liars, Interpol, The Killers, and Franz Ferdinand surfaced in the late 90's to early 00's. These bands made music with recognizable post-punk influences, even accompanied with arty, almost modish fashions copied from original post-punk bands. Modern post-punk is far more commercially successful than in the 1970s and 1980s. The post-punk revival is unique in modern rock trends, in that it has retained a strong following even after similar 80's revival genres such as electroclash have fallen out of style.]

well this is all bullshit!

Personally I will have to get back on that with my own interpretation of Post punk, there are some points which I don't agree with and I know many others will not agree with them.
Such as
Where are CABARET VOLTAIRE ? DUM DUM DUM, REMA REMA, EYLESS IN GAZA and many other bands that I would personally define as main expample of post punk more than REM and many other mainstream bands above mentioned...
and who says that INDIE ROCK is post punk revival????? Its bullshit!
wikipedia is not good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My own definition of post punk
but I need to make a small note before posting this :
I hate labels and when I am asked to define my musical tastes it is always a big problem because people tend to categorize me in a way or another and it is starting to annoy me. I usually use post punk because it is a wide definition to indicate a different approach from both goth and punk. I am aware that it was a journalistic invention as it was the term GOTH back in the 80s.
Having said that.

If you have a look at the list of bands on post-punk.com you will see many many bands I personally I would classify under punk and goth and not post-punk but then hey as I said it is just a way to group together what was not punk rock or crusty punk (that's what they mean, I think, with just the term "punk" ).
but a more insightful approach to problems, more reflection and less reaction without a strategy.
more philosophical way to see the problems, I guess.
a melting pot of punk/new wave and goth ;)
more political than Goths, less reactionary than punk and a bit less shallow than new wavers.

and that's the way I see the term postpunk....


annie's animal said...

well in general i agree with you.
Many bands i like has the label "death rock" (another silly term like gothic rock) for me is pure post punk :)
also some crass records i can say are post punk (penis envy for example) and not punk at all.
The terms and the labels has not any
But yes indie scene i can say it is a bad evolution of post punk scene.

(by the way you have the same user name in soulseek? )

Vernian Process said...

Hi, I run post-punk.com, and while you are correct a number of the bands in our list would be considered Goth or Punk, you have to remember that Goth is in itself a sub-genre of Post-Punk. Just as all of the Punk bands we list are of a more artsy/experimental nature. Or at least had a period where they were doing more artsy music). Blitz for example, went from Melodic OI! to Melodic Post-Punk on their Second Empire Justice LP.

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